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Would someone explain what White Tantra is. I do not fully understand it and was looking for some insight.
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Re: White Tantra
Fri, April 10, 2009 - 3:41 PMHi, Dina.
Thats a great question. You may get several answers because several different people or groups have come up with various sets of colors to describe what they do. As I recall, Yogi Bhajan, calls his system White Tantra. Lots of focus one kundalini and breathwork in his system. I've seen others define White Tantra as not using sex while Red Tantra does.
As far as I'm concerned, such titles only serve to draw us apart rather than unite us. To me there is Tantra which has lots of systems within in. So there is Tantra and there is not-Tantra.
But if people want to color their Tantra, that's up to them. I'm sure there is also Black Tantra (Tibetan Tantric black magick...ooooooooh), Green Tantra, Puce Tantra, Mauve, Tantra, Mocha Tantra, and for people who need a bit of energy, Frappuccino Tantra!
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Tue, April 14, 2009 - 4:22 PMwhite tantra in my comprehension through gnosis, is that the most fundamental aspects are to 1) abstain from spilling the seminal fluid, or orgasm, and 2) to practice with one spouse only.
There is extensive information on this site: www.gnosticteachings.org
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Tue, April 14, 2009 - 9:54 PMWens wrote: "white tantra in my comprehension through gnosis, is that the most fundamental aspects are to 1) abstain from spilling the seminal fluid, or orgasm..."
To the best of my knowledge, training, and experience, NO real form of Tantra I know of is about "abstaining" or restriction. Rather, than abstaining, Tantra is about surrender and living in the moment. Rather than the restriction of abstention, Tantra is about enlargement, expansion, freedom, and release.
However, you do say that your understanding does not come from training or study, but only through gnosis. Therefore, in your form of neo-Tantra, indeed it may have to do with abstention, just as so many people today use the term "baaaaad" to mean "good."
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Wed, April 15, 2009 - 4:49 PM.....the black lodge would be thrilled with your belief.....
as far as i know tantra is about ascension through proper
cultivation of sexual energy....rather than releasing it through the base
raising up the kundalini degree by degree...33...vertebra..
and opening the crown chakra in this way...as well as activating the
pineal gland in the process...
perhaps you could keep an open mind and check it out to see if it
resonates with you...or not
~xo
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Wed, April 15, 2009 - 5:31 PMThis harkens back to the Christian paradigm of "deferred gratification". While this may be a constructive excercise in that it enables a built up or pent up joy to eventually express, there's no actual profit from ongoing denial without final release. Biological energy re-channeled may not be the best path to higher knowledge. -
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Re: White Tantra
Wed, April 15, 2009 - 5:47 PMWhat I'm trying to express is that those who waste without knowing get cranky
because of others' judgment and need to control their bodies, when strangely
the ones that say they are spiritual are bodily relying on those others' being perfect,
not themselves. Until this form of false, judgmental religiosity is modified, these
others, who say they are religious but largely are more attached to this world
than the ones they judge, are going to suffer under the expectation that someone
else will do the hard work to change their perspective for them. Obviously some
think that spiritually they are being upstanding in telling others how to behave
bodily, when in all reality they have decided to rest easily in the expectation that
someone else will discover some information about higher processes and use it
to cause these judgmental ones to modify their stolid belief structures.
So who is the true materialist, the one that refuses wisdom with the subconscious
expectation that another will uncover it and use it, who has a rigid and dogmatic
belief structure, or the humble and life-enjoying one that is here to have a pleasant
experience? Obviously I would say the former, even if the former enjoys these
rather rigid belief structures that enforce on someone else their beliefs when they
in all truth don't hold to those. Who can enforce on someone else their own
belief structures with any real chance of success? In all truth, the former are
far too addicted to this place, and have an extreme, black-and-white attitude about
the body that spills over outside their ranks, and blame all deadly threats to the
world upon sexual license, when really, so many other dire threats far the world that they ignore.
Until this jealous bodily judgment ends and a true declaration to face the world's
problems evinces itself, we will not have resolution. All the same, as I've been saying
for quite a while, reject this foolhardy black-and-white viewpoint, and let those
who judge endlessly **stew in their own juices**. Some are extraordinarily hypocritical,
and unable to find a middle path, or resolve ancient extreme viewpoints.
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Re: White Tantra
Wed, April 15, 2009 - 5:50 PMAnd on this point: those who need absolute certainty about where they go after
death, yet expect that it will be as physical as this state only hamper and expose
their own stymied development curve. The others don't seem all that concerned
about how much certainty there is about where they go after death. Why is that?
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Wed, April 15, 2009 - 5:56 PMRemember, in Kabbalistic terms the immaterial, or wisdom can be identified
in a very loose fashion with the male perspective, whereas understanding
(or the lack thereof) can be associated with physical form (down here),
female, rigidity, materiality, a mistaken sense of concreteness, but in a
strange convoluted manner is also "soft".
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Re: White Tantra
Wed, April 15, 2009 - 6:15 PMBut can't stop the killing huh, can't stop the killing, that's VERBOTEN!
Vision of Sorrow:
books.google.com/books
www.hermetic.com/casa_del_...abalah.pdf
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Re: White Tantra
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 10:17 AMWhat if the gratification never comes?
Perhaps destroying this world is one form of that gratification.
They don't seem to be deferring much.
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Thu, April 16, 2009 - 4:15 PM....does it feel safe and secure to be part of the majority? -
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Thu, April 16, 2009 - 6:54 PMi just wondered if it did....im dualistic...
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Wed, April 15, 2009 - 5:14 PMReally, once many attain a higher sense of non-judgmentalism, the whole thing
about the 'seminal fluid' won't matter a bit. All the same, if any like a challenge,
much is there to be learned and enjoyed by holding it in. But many temptations
also. The odd thing is that in Kabbalah ordinarily (or perhaps this is a misnomer),
the more "male" aspect is seen as light, and the "female" as dark, but really, these
are both aspects of Binah (form) in some way. God at Chokmah is neither male
nor female. But holding it converts some darkness back to light. So there is reason
for men to do this. But also, sharing it body to body in the accepted manner is
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Wed, April 15, 2009 - 7:39 PMthankyou ... food for thought ...
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Re: White Tantra
Tue, April 14, 2009 - 9:03 PMThankfully, the color-coding of tantra makes it way easier to remember.>
White is nice, black is nasty, and red is like the color they all wear at the Osho Meditation Resort in Puna.
I was looking at a youtube vid of the dervish whirling they do there, all in red.
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Tue, April 14, 2009 - 9:46 PMBriggi wrote: "White is nice, black is nasty, and red is like the color they all wear at the Osho Meditation Resort in Puna. "
LOL! Thank you. I like that.
Namaste!
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Wed, April 15, 2009 - 7:03 AM.... now you need to share the link :) -
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Re: White Tantra
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 9:52 PMso Dina.....have you discovered anything useful in this quest---ion....been led to
any useful insights....just wondering....
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Fri, April 17, 2009 - 6:36 PMi have been practicing tantric rites of the white form some recently, and to tell the truth black was once my way...... and to my understanding of the colour coding, is only an interesting aspect of a much deeper search... in white tantra your soul is in a very hight place of selflessness, and spiritual ascending due to the light and love you wish for all others, but not because you perform the rites and you wish them as a result, it is actually somewhat the other way around... white tantra finds your, ....
the red is a celebration of the life giving powers inside us all and in action of the gifts we find an ascension of our beings together.
and black is a somewhat selfish search, even if done in good hopes, your path will be dark and sometimes it is needed to sustain oneself, pure selflessness can be draining, as well as feeding off others while giving nothing in return....
all are necessary
but their are colours beyond the ones you think you see .... the colour of existence and nonexistence are such a beautiful myriad. do not concentrate on one pure colour, rather seek to be of the all.... -
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Re: White Tantra: => show me the color that is real.....
Fri, April 17, 2009 - 10:43 PMAll of us have one thing in common>>>
each of us has his own color. And all together we are like a rainbow.
Graphic computer programs recognize a couple million colors. It's not that simple. Each human individual on this planet, past present and future, literally represents one very particular place in the spectrum. No two alike. Your color is your identity, just like your own DNA. So there are now billions of colors.
Science tells us that all colors mixed form white.... and that black can be seen as the absence of light.... kind of like the deep black Yin to the intense heavenly red Yang.
The spectrum of visible light goes from infra-red all the way to ultra-violet. ...just like the chakras ascending from base red up to violet-white. And that's as fundamental as it gets.
As to which school you follow, well each school has it's place somewhere in the ascending scale of color. And I wouldn't reduce it to three or four only, but that can be a starting point for many as a way to begin understanding of this kind of sensibility. -
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Re: White Tantra: => show me the color that is real.....
Sun, April 19, 2009 - 5:47 AMWe've variable auras, is that it? -
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Re: White Tantra: => the color that is real.....
Sun, April 19, 2009 - 8:43 AMFirstly, we always are on the lookout for universal truths. Something that is true in the Brahmanical way, and also is true in the Judaeo-Christian tradition, and also is true for Native Americans,... well that truth is going to be alot truer than some kind of truth that's different for each culture, such as cultural differences in the meanings assigned to color. In some cultures you wear white to a funeral,... while in others it's black. ....different strokes.
As to what you call "auras", in the yogic system, of which Tantra is an evolved offshoot, man has five distinct bodies. The second body, Pranamayakosha, is roughly what you'd call aura, but the yogic science is alot more advanced. Pranamayakosha is the energy body surrounding the physical body Manamayakosha. And yes, the Pranamayakosha is variable in the sense that it is always expanding-contracting, interacting. And when represented as perceivable color, the colors are continually transforming, shifting, intensifying,....
Again, you have a distinct base color that is probably a unique, measurable light-emmiting frequency, and each person has his own identifiable base wavelength, regardless of mood shifts or emotional changes going on.
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Sun, April 19, 2009 - 5:46 AMFirst off, I don't even know if colours really apply to Tantra per se.
For ex.: Yellow Hats.... or... Indigo-OrgasmaBhodies!
The White connotation probably derives from such other spiritual paths such as:
The Great White Brotherhood (FBU), 'White Magic', the great white light of the druids, etc.
Or is it 'white' as in Caucasian, in contrast to 'Tan' for north Indians...
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Sun, April 19, 2009 - 5:00 PMNot everything that's out there purporting to be The Truth necessarily harmonizes one with the other.
Again, according to Yogic Practice, which is the fundamental part of Tantra, you'll have 7 main maha-chakras, and many minor chakras. The seven from bottom on up are colored starting with red, going all the way up to violet/white, with the other 5 major colors in between.. A good memory tool is a guy's name "Roy G. Biv" = red, orange yellow green blue indigo violet/white. This accords with the science of Yoga, as well as the yoga of Science.
It's probably not a good idea, maybe confusing, to try and force dharma from other schools & practices & cultures into this because those are coming from other places. But if they agree, then that lends strength to This Dharma. ...{veritas nostra}
-yellow hats: reference to Lamaism?... which has different color sets from Brahmaism and different even from Theravada color sets.
-Indigo-Orgasmic? ... sounds like kinda 60s psychedelick... farout cool mon!
-Great White Brotherhood? I think Dunov was coming from yoga rather than yoga coming from Dunov.
- Druids? There may be some correspondence in that early proto-yoga also developed and evolved in primeval forests. However, the light in the tropical Indian sub-continent is way more intense in the infra-red end of the scale than is the light in England where everything is filtered through a bunch of clouds so is more heavily weighted towards the ultra-violet end of the scale.
-skin color? Actually humans are not clearly from five different colors like five different crayolas, but are just varying shades of basic human skin color, going from pinkish pale skin on through dark Hershey brown --- And I don't agree with calling people white yellow red or black because when you look at them close they're not really that, but just mostly different shades of brown.
So just look up "chakras" in your wiki and any other stuff you can get on chakras and learn from there. Chakras are the energy wheels that connect the 72,000 Prana Nadis [energy lines] through which all Kundalini flows. And a knowledge of your own body's circuitry is pretty vital to an understanding of how Tantra works. If you think Tantra is all just sex-talk and blowjobs held together with a superficial layer of spirit-talk, then you're coming from a pretty primitive, and sometimes dirty & ugly, misunderstanding of what Tantra is.
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Tue, April 21, 2009 - 5:35 AMYellow hat -- Tibetans
Indigo - why not.!. transcending a (colour) limit - UV ? hihi
Deunov was trined as a christian, then he found Kabbalah, then Yoga...
The White light of the Spiritual World.
The 4 traditional races, Red, white, yellow & black ... also have copper (ex.: india) & gold ( ex.: South Pacific)
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Re: White Tantra
Fri, May 15, 2009 - 1:10 PMMy understanding of the colors go like this:
White: Solo tantra, done by yourself for your Self.
Red: Partnered tantra, usually done by two for reasons bigger than both of them.
Black: Secretive Tantra that participants don't want you to know about.
Add my opinion into the hat full of others.
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