Best wishes and blessings on the day of Mahashivaratri —
As Pashupati, The Shepherd,
He tames the animal mind
Into disciplines of righteousness
Turning fights into sports.
As Virupaksha, The Opposite Observer,
He pulls the human mind away
From flowing into desires
Turning the downstream up.
As Tattpurusha, The Suchness Holder,
He teaches the divine mind
All-Knowledge to enlightenment
Turning ignorance into quest for Truth.
As Aghora, The One Beyond Illusion,
He dissolves the realised mind
Into the depth of Nothingness
Turning specialities into indifference.
As Sadyajata, The Newborn,
He plays the Nirvana Mind
In the celebration of Life
Turning all identities into Non-Identity.
The five-headed Compassionate Wisdom
Dissolves the five elements into The Void,
Alert in changefulness, aware in Oneness,
The Lord Master shows the way.
In the dance of changefulness
He maintains the tranquil bliss
Forgets all sins in forgiveness
Pulling hostiles into friendship.
Shiva The Spirit of Existence
Dances the dance of Bliss
Celebrating the night of Voidness
Let all reside in peace.
As Pashupati, The Shepherd,
He tames the animal mind
Into disciplines of righteousness
Turning fights into sports.
As Virupaksha, The Opposite Observer,
He pulls the human mind away
From flowing into desires
Turning the downstream up.
As Tattpurusha, The Suchness Holder,
He teaches the divine mind
All-Knowledge to enlightenment
Turning ignorance into quest for Truth.
As Aghora, The One Beyond Illusion,
He dissolves the realised mind
Into the depth of Nothingness
Turning specialities into indifference.
As Sadyajata, The Newborn,
He plays the Nirvana Mind
In the celebration of Life
Turning all identities into Non-Identity.
The five-headed Compassionate Wisdom
Dissolves the five elements into The Void,
Alert in changefulness, aware in Oneness,
The Lord Master shows the way.
In the dance of changefulness
He maintains the tranquil bliss
Forgets all sins in forgiveness
Pulling hostiles into friendship.
Shiva The Spirit of Existence
Dances the dance of Bliss
Celebrating the night of Voidness
Let all reside in peace.
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Fri, March 14, 2008 - 10:23 AMCan't kiss girls in public in India...hey, ya can't even hold their hand:
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080...BFvXIcnncUF
God forbid they might be another religion or of a different level in an archaic and ass backward caste system - that would never work.
So much for Tantra in India; so much for wishful projections upon appropriated beliefs.
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Fri, March 14, 2008 - 10:50 AMOooH...I jsut thought of something contentious:
I wonder if Spitzer would have gotten in so much shit if he had slept with a Tantrika rather than an Escort...
In some odd way if that were to have occurred, it would have really widened exposure to Tantra here in the good ol' sexually repressed US of A for better or worse.
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Fri, March 14, 2008 - 2:21 PMThen again, Indians are apparently just as prone to appropriating and mimicking other traditions and values as "we" are. Same as everyone else.
What can be foreseen as increasingly problematic is speculation about whether the burgeoning middle classes' appetites/desires for material goods and resources begins to "operate" at a level of consumption comparable to the western world, the planet will be in far more trouble than it currently is. Add the explosive rise in a middle class with money to burn in China and we could all find ourselves in a mission critical situation on mother earth sooner than we had thought.
(obviously, I have some idle thoughts will avoiding work today)
Hi ho: humans are funny.
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 12:47 AMOm Panchavaktraya Vidmahe
Mahadevaya Dheemahi
Tanno Rudra Prachodayat!
Lord Panchavaktra has been powerfully present in the aethyrs as synchronicities and messages since MahaShivaratri!
every conversation seems to come around to His mysteries of the incarnate Pentagram....
and then there is this:
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 12:49 AMif you follow the above link, you will discover an amazing contemporary yet traditionally rooted Bharati dance-ritual
in which Lord Shiva creates the universe out of each of the five Elements (tattvas)
in each of the directions as the Five personalities who are combined in His Panchavatra form...the Lord with Five Aspects...
accompanied by Five Shaktis....and culminating with
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 11:46 AMthe link works perfectly Arun.
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 3:04 AMDear Friend,
I don't understand what you are upto. You gave a link and I tried, but could not find anything except New York Times! What is that you want to say is still very hazzy to me.
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 3:57 AMin the dance of changefulness
He maintains the tranquil bliss
Forgets all sins in forgiveness
Pulling hostiles into friendship.
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 10:15 AMhow strange...i click on it and it goes to the Articulate website
of the dance-group that put on "Panchavaktram"
a dance-ritual in which the five aspects of Lord Shiva
and their corresponding Shaktis perform the creation of the Elements....
and then it ends with Ardhanareshvara....
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 10:16 AMimages.google.com/imgres
hopefully it will work this time...
the relevance of this to your original post
is that it portrays each of the aspects of Lord Shiva
that you name in your lovely poem.
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 2:30 AMDear Friend,
I don't understand what you are upto. You gave a link and I tried, but could not find anything except New York Times! What is that you want to say is still very hazzy to me.
Love......................Kulavadhuta Satpurananda....................................
Sorry to all. This letter was for Mr 'V'. I am really not understanding what he means by his letters because whatever he is saying in his repeated posts , I am unable to understand. He is correlating to some website(?) which is opening in New York Times page!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Arun:
I tried the site and found a photograph of the dancers. I have seen other programes of this group and they are just excellent. I am not in my place and I am not computer educated at all; its my disciples who help me in this communications with you all. By day after tomorrow i will reach home and start working better with the site. Thank you very much for it.
For S.Palmo:
Thank you. I knew that you would appreciate it!
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 10:08 AMHere's the article Kulavadhuta:
Psychotherapy for All: An Experiment
By DAVID KOHN
SIOLIM, India — At the faded one-story medical clinic in this fishing and farming village, people with depression and anxiety typically got little or no attention. Busy doctors and nurses focused on physical ailments — children with diarrhea, laborers with injuries, old people with heart trouble. Patients, fearful of the stigma connected to mental illness, were reluctant to bring up emotional problems.
Last year, two new workers arrived. Their sole task was to identify and treat patients suffering depression and anxiety. The workers found themselves busy. Almost every day, several new patients appeared. Depressed and anxious people now make up “a sizable crowd” at the clinic, said the doctor in charge, Anil Umraskar.
The patients talk about all sorts of troubles. “Financial difficulties are there,” said one of the new counselors, Medha Upadhye, 29. “Interpersonal conflicts are there. Unemployment. Alcoholism is a major problem.”
The clinic is at the forefront of a program that has the potential to transform mental health treatment in the developing world. Instead of doctors, the program trains laypeople to identify and treat depression and anxiety and sends them to six community health clinics in Goa, in western India.
Depression and anxiety have long been seen as Western afflictions, diseases of the affluent. But new studies find that they are just as common in poor countries, with rates up to 20 percent in a given year.
Researchers say that even in places with very poor people, the ailments require urgent attention. Severe depression can be as disabling as physical diseases like malaria, the researchers say, and can have serious economic effects. If a subsistence farmer is so depressed that he cannot get out of bed, neither he nor his children are likely to eat.
In India, as in much of the developing world, depression and anxiety are rarely diagnosed or treated. With a population of more than one billion, India has fewer than 4,000 psychiatrists, one-tenth the United States total. Because most psychiatrists are clustered in a few urban areas, the problem is much worse elsewhere.
As a result, most Indians with mental illness go untreated, especially in poor and rural areas. “There is a huge treatment gap for people with depression,” said Dr. Vikram Patel of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, the psychiatrist who began the Siolim project. “In most places in the developing world, 80 percent to 90 percent of people with severe depression don’t receive adequate treatment.”
For India, adding thousands of psychiatrists would take large sums of money and years of effort, resources unavailable to a developing country with many other health problems besides mental illness. By contrast, Dr. Patel’s strategy costs relatively little and does not require legions of doctors.
“It’s a really interesting, exciting thing he’s doing,” said Dr. Greg E. Simon, a researcher at the Center for Health Studies in Seattle.
Dr. Simon, a psychiatrist who studies mental health in the developing world, said the Goa strategy grew from a crucial idea. Unlike, say, heart disease and stroke, which can require expensive interventions, depression is relatively simple to diagnose and treat. Many studies have shown that talk therapy and antidepressants lead to significant improvement in most patients.
“The fundamentals of helping people with depression are pretty low tech,” Dr. Simon said. “The core resource is humans,” people who can identify patients and offer treatments.
The Goa program, financed by the Wellcome Trust, is not the first using nonmedical workers to treat mental illness, but it is the largest. Almost 2,000 patients have been treated. Dr. Patel is conducting a randomized clinical trial to see whether the strategy works, the first time such a careful study has been run in the developing world.
If the research, which will finish in 2010, reports positive results, donors and governments are more likely to try it elsewhere in India and the world, Dr. Patel said, adding: “This is the most important question in psychiatry. How do we scale up treatments to a population in a low-resource setting?”
“If you rolled this program out across India,” Dr. Simon said, “you’d be doing some good for a fifth of the world’s population.”
Dr. Patel, 43, grew up in Bombay, now Mumbai, and wanted to be a caterer. His middle-class parents insisted on a more respectable career. He went to medical school.
After completing training, he spent two years in Zimbabwe as a researcher. He hoped to prove that Western concepts of mental illness did not apply in the developing world. Instead, he came to the opposite conclusion, that the ailments were in fact just as common and just as treatable as in the West.
He now splits his time between London and Goa, where he runs a social welfare organization, Sangath, which means partnership in Hindi.
Known in the West for its beautiful beaches, Goa is relatively wealthy by Indian standards. But most of its three million residents earn a few dollars a day, not enough to afford much medical care. Public health officials say that poverty can lead to alcoholism, domestic abuse and stress, all contributors to depression and anxiety.
At government clinics like the one here, overworked doctors lack time and inclination to ask patients about mental health. Even clinicians who look for depression may miss it. For reasons that no one fully understands, depressed patients in the developing world often complain of physical symptoms like fatigue, headache and insomnia rather than emotional problems like sadness or regret.
As a result, Dr. Patel said, depressed patients in Goa may receive unnecessary and expensive treatments that fail to address the underlying problem. For all those reasons, he said, most depression and anxiety remains undiagnosed. But they are common. A survey by Dr. Patel found that one in three adults seeking care at public health clinics in Goa were depressed or anxious. Dr. Neerja Chowdhury, a psychiatrist at Sangath who is helping manage the project, said, “That might be an underrepresentation.”
The program began in 2005, hiring 12 recent high school or college graduates who lacked medical backgrounds. Six “health assistants” received a week of training, and six “health counselors” had three months of training. The workers — paid the equivalent of $100 to $200 a month, significantly less than Indian psychiatrists — were sent to the six clinics.
Five days a week, the assistants screen almost every patient who arrives at the door. Pregnant women, minors and emergency cases are excluded. The screening is created for the program. It includes questions about physical symptoms, as well as emotional problems.
A patient meeting the criteria for mental illness is immediately sent to the health counselor, who provides a straightforward explanation of depression and anxiety and offers a range of treatments like talk therapy, yoga and, in conjunction with a doctor, antidepressant medication. Patients return every few weeks for follow-ups.
The screening and first consultation typically take a half-hour. In the old system, the few patients with diagnoses of depression were referred to a psychiatrist at one of two state mental hospitals. Dr. Patel said many patients failed to show up for appointments because they could not afford to take time from work or pay for transportation.
Most are also apparently wary of visiting a mental hospital. In India, the stigma of mental illness remains strong. To minimize the problem, health workers avoid using the words “mental illness,” “depression” or “anxiety” with patients, relying on more commonly used words like “strain” and “tension.”
The patients “are happy to talk,” Dr. Sudipto Chatterjee, a psychiatrist at Sangath, said, “as long as you stay away from the idea of mental illness.”
Dr. Chatterjee helped draw up the program and oversees the screeners and counselors. He said they not only diagnosed as well as doctors but were generally better listeners, partly because they have more time.
Psychiatrists usually “have five minutes to see a patient,” Dr. Chatterjee said.
In a society where many people have no place to share their worries, the effects of therapy can be striking. On a recent Saturday morning at the Siolim clinic, Ms. Upadhye, the health counselor, sat in her closet-size plywood-wall office, trying to stay cool under a negligible breeze from a tiny plastic fan, when a psychiatric patient arrived for a return visit.
A housemaid in her 50s who wore large glasses, bright bangles on her wrists and a light blue sari, the patient had originally reported physical problems like headache, insomnia and pains but had been given a diagnosis of depression. As Ms. Upadhye listened, the woman let loose a flood of words.
Speaking in Konkani, the predominant Goan language, she told the counselor that she was not getting along with her four children, especially her son, who had recently beaten her up in a drunken rage. She said she had no one to talk to. Holding tightly to her handkerchief, she began to cry.
Within minutes, she began to relax. Her expression loosened.
“I feel better when I tell my problems to somebody else,” she said.
Ms. Upadhye ended by reminding the woman to keep taking her antidepressant medicine and to check in regularly.
After the session, Ms. Upadhye reflected that just listening to her patients made a big difference.
“I feel like I’m doing something, just giving them time to ventilate,” she said. “They can tell their problems, they can share their feelings.”
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 1:11 PMI have visited India and Bangladesh during monsoon season on several occasions and have been, and eaten with the poorest of the poor. I have seen the bloated dead bodies of animals and humans passing by from the flood, people in tears loosing everything over and over again, year after year perhaps. I have seen mothers whose children died from starvation (one mother's third baby died right now and then when I was there... ), we created a funding for such type of mothers at the time to feed the kids for the first couple of years. As a result from what I have seen, I have not found that people are less depressed during extreme periods of suffering. It all depends what you want to see and expose yourself to and what you wish to experience or contribute to.
People were in tears when one passes out some basic medicines. Many have never gotten any medical care at all, so they said. You may care only once and people start crying because finally after years of struggle somebody finally came and cared (talking about Bangladesh). They cried over the simple sharing of pain killers and a soup in utter disbelief.
What I did found, however is that people are willing to help one another, eager to hold each others kids, and laugh with the most beautiful smiles ever, even in their tears.
When one returns from such a trip to the West the streets feel like a gourmet dining table and the fresh air feels like paradise. Finally one can breathe again (thinking about Calcutta outskirts). When one is exposed to situations like that, one does not notice anymore ones own distress since there are always people clearly visibly worse off. I hardly noticed myself getting sicker and sicker because of the intensities of the surrounding and didn't notice much till others noticed for me that my life force was quickly starting to fade. Luckily! :-) - One often stops complaining about ones own health in such countries. It does not make sense anymore to complain about anything. Life is as IS.
Thank you for bringing this up! I am not surprised hearing this. I often found that people simply don't have the time to deal with psychology and states of mind while being "in survival mode." While they stayed year after year in such dire circumstance, I could go home and get educated. These people are in my heart every day - even today - always!
Peace forever and to one and all her on tribe! Thanks for spreading the peace of Shivaratri's message. It's most helpful in opening the heart of people who have seen much, and I know I am not the only one here who has been through interesting circumstances. True inner and outer peace!
One humanity = one family - always!
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 4:17 PMVerseau, copying and pasting an entire article that someone else wrote it theft. This is especially true when it comes from a site where you stole it from, the New York Times, that clearly has posted a copyright notice on that page. When you click on that notice it says you may not reproduce, transmit, display, publish or broadcast any of it without "prior written permission" of the newspaper.
If you do not have have such permission, please delete your entry. If you want people to read it, give a link to the URL instead of being a thief.
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 4:21 PMI did provide a link to the article but Kuva couldn't read it, therefore, I copied the article.
Give me a fucking break
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 8:41 PMGive you a break for theft?
Give you a break for stealing?
Give you a break for possibly having a lawsuit filed against Tribe that could shut it down?
Why don't you give US a break and just respect the rights of writers?
In your profile you claim that you're an "Irreverent Advocate for a greater good" and you're "very conscious and intentional in what I'm doing."
So for you, the greater good is intentionally stealing other people's work?
You also write that "seeing only what we want to see robs of us the rewards that can be found in seeing what we need to see." Apparently, you have difficulty seeing that stealing from others is still stealing. It also indicates that you're unable to...uh...what's that called... oh yeah, "summarize." I guess you didn't learn that in school, huh? Is that how you got through school? Stealing other people's papers?
You call yourself a "prankster." Is that a new term for "thief?"
Thieves who steal from others--especially when it's out of laziness or want rather than need--deserve a fucking break. It's called "Jail."
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 9:48 PMCan't really reply to your post in great detail on my phone Sham, but maybe you can shove your pseudo-spiritual Tantric prattle up your ass and spare me the imagined indiscretion re: the article as well as dispensing with the deconstruction of my self-expression?
Thanks Namaste wanker!
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