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help! blue balls

topic posted Wed, April 27, 2005 - 9:41 AM by  ari moshe
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how does one get rid of it?
its painful- i took a shower and its less painful. the water was cold and the testicles contracted back to "normal position"- but there is still a slight pain in my left.

so how do i get rid of it- i know ejaculation works, but im really interested in learning about non ejaculatory cures for blue ball.

some more info: its only in my left testicle- could someone explain that?

ways to prevent it? during my sexual experience i never reached the contractile phase where my perenium contracts and orgasm begins- meaning, i was never close to ejaculation.
is there anyway to draw the energy up away from my genitals b/4 ireach the orgasm stage

thanks!
ari moshe
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ari moshe
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  • Re: help! blue balls

    Wed, April 27, 2005 - 11:21 AM
    There's a very straightforward solution.

    Transmuting sexual energy is the process of drawing your passion up and out of the second chakra and into a higher energy center where that energy transforms into a more subtle essence and diffuses throughout the body. The transmutation breath distributes your sexual energy throughout your entire energy system, relieving the lower chakra areas of the 'energetic pressure' that is experienced as "blue balls." There are many benefits to transmuting sexual energy. This is merely one of them.

    It takes no effort to perform the transmutation breath. If you were choosing not to ejaculate, end your lovemaking or self-pleasuring by releasing the stimulation at the height of your pleasure or as orgasm approaches and do three transmutation breaths.

    There are various levels of transmutation breaths, some that are more powerful than others. The Babaji Cobra Breath is perhaps the most powerful and is taught at Ipsalu Tantra trainings. Here is a basic version.

    1. Exhale completely. Blow all the air out of your lungs. Drop your awareness into your root.

    2. Inhale through the nose as you slowly contract the anus, pulling the sexual energy up from the genitals to the Third Eye. This transmutes the energy.

    3. Retain the breath as long as you comfortably can. Maintain the root contraction and awareness in the third eye.

    4. Exhale with a sigh as you relax the contraction.

    5. Become aware of energy rushing up the spine into the head.
    If you become light-headed or dizzy, pull some of the energy out of your head on the exhalation by intoning the mantra EE-AH-OH. This draws the energy into Manipura, the energy distribution center of the body.

    Experiment with the technique on your own and enjoy the bliss!
    • Re: help! blue balls

      Wed, April 27, 2005 - 11:30 AM

      2. Inhale through the nose as you slowly contract the anus, pulling the sexual energy *UP THE SPINE* from the genitals to the Third Eye. This transmutes the energy.

      You can transmute your energy at any point during lovemaking. It need not be as orgasm approaches. It feels good. Try it and see what you discover.
  • Re: help! blue balls

    Wed, April 27, 2005 - 3:36 PM
    Well - As A man who has had to deal with this also - It may be a straigtforward "solution" but it certainly is not just some little thing you can do,, it si not that easy.

    So first of all be kind to yourself Ari,,

    A man's body makes up to 1/2 million sperm cells a day, especially a man in his early / mid twenties as Ari is. I know the pain you are talking about - - it can feel almost scary because you feel like you may be damaging yourself.. the pain is deep and psychological also..

    Ari, first of all, realize this path will take some time,, It is anything but easy - but it still is just a techniques that you need to learn, and what Shakti Jan and others have said is helpful.

    Personally I will say, as a hatha Yogi, inverted yoga postures, like headstand and shoulderstand help to absorb the vital fluid also,, If you are not doing hatha yoga and other types or pranayam, i would suggest looking into that. These poses help to bring an overall balance into your life and bodily systems, rather than just waiting until you are in a sex act or pleasuring mode.

    Also i would say, if and when it gets to be too much, release it. And do not feel like a failure if you do!,,.

    bless you Ari, and your spiritually evolving Self.
    • Re: help! blue balls

      Mon, May 2, 2005 - 11:21 AM
      Yes, it is all of those things, Sam. Learning to transmute sexual energy takes experimentation, focus, and practice over a certain period of time to gain mastery. And it happens in no effort ('no effort' isn't saying 'no practice'). That said, I have not known any man in my personal life who hasn't experienced immediate marked improvement when applying the technique. It's incredibly powerful and effective. It's also fun and uncomplicated. Namaste, Jan



  • I suggest massage

    Wed, April 27, 2005 - 11:39 PM
    after you finish "practicing" take a soft towel and throughly and firmly (not too hard) rub all the erectile tissue around your crotch - penis, entire area under your pubic hair, under your scrotum and all the way to your anus. Also rub your sacrum. Then hold your testes between your thumb and first two fingers (one teste per hand) and gentle massage them - I usually make circles with my thumbs. Then GENTLY massage your vas deferens between thumb and forefingers (tube inside scrotum that connects testes to your body - very easy to find and feel).

    Classical chinese texts say your are preventing energy from getting stuck. Also you are helping the body detumesce - move all the blood out of the erectile tissues in your penis, perinium, testes, etc.

    The process I am describing takes 2 to 3 minutes - its not long, but its also not 15 seconds.

    My experience is that this will dramatically reduce chances of blue balls.

    with respect to drawing energy away from genitals prior to ejaculation, see my posts and / or post questions in the Taoist Sex Practices tribe where I have described some non- Tantra methods.
    • Re: I suggest massage

      Thu, April 28, 2005 - 5:47 PM
      or hey, here's an idea: how about listening to your body and have that much needed ejaculation! sorry all, but this isn't sounding like striving for a state of balance. could be wrong. maybe he's on the fast-track to ..... something. for sure a case of "epididymitis, which is an inflammation of the epididymis.
      This occurs when the epididymis get blocked up with sperm that have left the testis but not the penis. The vas deferns are the conduit for the sperm from the testis to the urethra."

      come on now, we don't need to abuse ourselves to 'get there'!
      • Re: I suggest massage

        Fri, April 29, 2005 - 5:05 PM
        If a kid falls off a bike it's because he doesn't know how to ride it, not because the bike is abusive. When the kid learns how to ride the bike, he will be able to get home a lot faster. :)
        • Re: I suggest massage

          Sat, April 30, 2005 - 2:53 PM
          It was said
          "If a kid falls off a bike it's because he doesn't know how to ride it, not because the bike is abusive. When the kid learns how to ride the bike, he will be able to get home a lot faster. :) "

          Right on Denny!
      • Re: I suggest massage

        Tue, May 3, 2005 - 7:59 AM
        I'm with Trance on this one. You just need to blow your wad.

        Perhaps more often than you do. The tantric energy work is great for lots of reasons but ignoring basic biology isn't good. Flow is essential on many levels, including this one.
        • Re: I suggest massage

          Tue, May 3, 2005 - 11:09 AM
          Basic biology... as if the human machine can be understood through materialistic science. Bah!

          Flow doesn't have to be outwards, Dreamer. Energy can flow inwards and upwards as well.

          If people only knew that the fountain of youth is sitting at the base of the spinal column... then they wouldn't give the water away so freely.
          • Re: I suggest massage

            Tue, May 3, 2005 - 11:22 AM
            <as if the human machine can be understood through materialistic science. >

            certainly not ALL by itself. it's called balance Denny....
          • i suggest seeking balance

            Tue, May 3, 2005 - 11:44 AM
            Denny, do you see that most of the time you get REACTION to your posts that it's because you appear to be coming from a place 'out of balance' and quite dogmatic? do you see the irony in this? kinda funny like to me.
            • Re: i suggest seeking balance

              Tue, May 3, 2005 - 2:41 PM
              Everybody's got a dogma. Everybody's out of balance. Everybody likes to react. Pretty hard to avoid all that.

              I disagree with materialistic philosophy. I disagree with succumbing to lust in the name of enlightenment (and waking up in the subconscious mind). So that's what I express. If you don't like it, you're free to ignore it.

              Anyways... I just saw a show about the man-eating tigers in Sunderbund, India. The men who fish and gather honey over there have to worry about getting attacked every single time they go out on the water.

              It really puts all of these discussions in the right perspective -- no matter what anybody says, at least we don't have to worry about getting our heads gnashed up in the jaws of a tiger.

              Peace,
              Denny
              • Re: i suggest seeking balance

                Tue, May 3, 2005 - 4:11 PM
                Jesus "denny" chirst, your so sexy. I love how easily you bend em over and do em dogma style. So crafty. So much intellect, oh so mental. I love your head.
                But oh JDC could you do little ol me a favor?
                Please step out of the way
                Your blocking the light.

                p.s. nice rod (staff?) is it gold?...oooooh jesus, that's good
              • Re: i suggest seeking balance

                Tue, May 3, 2005 - 10:20 PM
                just so i'm clear, it sounds as if you're intent (and quite content) in acheiving a forced state of imbalance?
                hey, don't get me wrong because it's not that i care that much about where *you* are headed. however i do think it's nice to know what the m.o. is of the err, masters out there attempting to help out the general public. certainly it is interesting if not somewhat alarming. i won't hold it against you though. ;)

                seriously though... maybe you (or others that seem to agree with your general philosophy) could start a new thread explaining why and how you can take this course? and maybe i should just assume that you will respectfully dissagree with me and that you feel that in fact you ARE in pursuit of balance? or hell, maybe i'm not off at all and a state of imbalance is the goal. in any case, could you explain please?

                what's really kind of funny is that normally i DO ignore what you have to say but hey, it's hard to ignore a cry for help from somebody with blue balls and well i was just sucked right in to the thread. just couldn't resist. now look at me, way too much fun.

                oh btw, ever been in a big city ER? the man-eating tigers simply take on a different form here. knowing this i still get up every morning and go to work with a big ol' smile on me face! though if i suddenly had to get up tomorrow morning and worry about a hungry tiger i probably ..... would ..... go .... yawn..... back to.........sleep (in my subconscious mind).
              • Re: i suggest seeking balance

                Tue, May 3, 2005 - 10:30 PM
                jeez, i just woke up in my subconscious mind with this epiphany:

                if they're man-eating tigers, then send out the women for gods sake! there you go.

                next!
                • Re: i suggest seeking balance

                  Wed, May 4, 2005 - 7:48 PM
                  As a woman I would just like to say that a man who practices tantra is a real treat in the bedroom. Energy awareness in all things is beautiful -especially sex. And aside from that, a condom plus the choice not to ejaculate is the safest sex around. That is truly a pleasure.
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                    Re: i suggest seeking balance

                    Thu, May 5, 2005 - 9:53 AM
                    Are you saying, CC, that you do not take pleasure in a man ejaculating? Do you not enjoy the taste or texture of semen or simply seeing a man perform this ancient rite?

                    I agree that experience with moving energy (via tantra or any number of other disciplines or practices) and delayed ejaculation is fabulous, but from my perspective and that of my Beloved and others - so is ejaculation.

                    Why miss out on something when one could have everything?
                    • Re: i suggest seeking balance

                      Thu, May 5, 2005 - 11:05 AM
                      <Why miss out on something when one could have everything?>

                      i won't be surprised if you don't get a response. apparently it's a subject too uncomfortable to discuss. i'm really curious why fundamentalism would carry into Tantrics. to me this stance seems so ironic, conflicting, hypocritical, oxymoronic..... there's so much potential here and to stifle oneself....? and yes, i'm well aware that you believe quite the opposite. tell you what though, i'm going to proceed on my chosen journey of infinite-simultaneous directions (no paths to me!), striving to keep an open mind and maybe i'll see you all in the same field someday. heh, whatever works for you right?
  • Re: help! blue balls

    Sat, April 30, 2005 - 8:32 AM
    Shakti Jan: I appreciate your breathing-to-transmute-energy instruction. I practice solo and on-on-one Shakti therapy, wherein one maintains sexual energy without orgasm for extended periods of time. Typically I simply wait until the energy transmutes itself, but I am going to give the technique you suggest a try, to see if I can consciously make the shift happen myself.

    Thank-you. And namaste :O)<

    Allan
  • Re: help! blue balls

    Sun, May 1, 2005 - 5:24 AM
    How long did you sit still and transmute after disconnecting? It should probably be at least 30 minutes.

    Also, you should only take a shower (maybe a bath would be better) before you practice, since doing it afterwards isn't a good idea (water puts the fire out).

    There are a lot of people who are practicing this form of sexual magic at gnosticweb.com and mysticweb.org, so you may want to ask this over there as well if you continue to have problems.

    Peace.
    • Re: help! blue balls

      Mon, May 2, 2005 - 12:19 PM
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        Re: help! blue balls

        Mon, May 2, 2005 - 12:39 PM
        Jack off just reading this made my balls hurt, then start over find the point along that route that you are looking for. I know it reaches a time when it's not time to go, but a time to come
        • Re: help! blue balls

          Tue, May 3, 2005 - 7:10 PM
          much appreciation to those beautiful souls who listened to my question and gave me a respectful response.
          i ejaculate all the time- im not afraid of it. however i am not one to relieve myself of the pain in a way that depletes me of my life force w/out first hearing what some ppl have to say about blue balls.

          since your post 2 months ago shakti jan, i have attempted the trasmuting breath many times. i have also been practicing the simlar techniques in the multi orgasmic man. i haven't once been able to suceed. either i ejaculate or my balls hurt!

          heres one problem i am having. i have difficulty in contracting my anus while breathing the energy up my spine. the book talks a lot about making sure one allows the energy to flow down the front channel- but it doesn't talk much about how to draw the energy up.

          does anyone relate to what im talking about? trouble contracting and breathing at same time?
          • Re: help! blue balls

            Tue, May 3, 2005 - 9:47 PM
            Ari,
            I grew up in Keansburg and taught yoga at dancing foot yoga in red bank during 2003. Attempting these practices in the heat of sex is a challenge. What would help you, i think, is to find a teacher who can really help you develp a clear and strong mula bundha. Also someone who can help you practice the micro-cosmic orbit. Both of those practices are much more easily acessible in a non-sexual context. Later, while engaged in sex it all becomes much more natural. It takes a lot of practice and a good teacher. As far as monmouth county goes, I really don't have any good references for instructors. Most all the instructors in that area lend only a superfical treatment of the art. Dancing Foot in Red Bank is a fantastic source for Anusara yoga (check out emily dubin). They really will not be able to help you with mula bundha per se, but thier attention to alignment is a great benifit. That's the great gift of anusara is their priniples of alignment; it's brilliant. If you have your alignment really precise, particularly the legs and feet and hips, mula bandha almost occurs naturally. OH YEAH !!, up north is an excellent teacher Raji....I can't remeber his last name, but he started the ashtanga program up in montclair...he is an awesome teacher and very much loved by his students. google his ass you'll be glad you did.
            Ashtanga is excellent in the way of its emphasis on ujyaii pranayama and mula bandha. and raji is your man there. He know doubt is versed in the sexual practices though I don't know how free he is with the info. he will most likely tell you to practice bandha because bandha is the abc of sex practice.

            as far as that miro-cosmic meditation I always practiced that one on my own after spending some time with a former student of mantak chia. I found that one natural, it being so similar to other yoga practices that I've enjoyed; like the old school udiyanna bandha (shivanadha style), which is also very helpful, (refer to raji)

            other then that keep up the diligence, it's beautful.

            ALWAYS PEACE
            • Re: help! blue balls

              Tue, May 3, 2005 - 11:33 PM
              yes, I agree it is important to practice techniques outside of intercourse to transmute the energy as it is to practice during. As part of your morning you can make sure you do some practices everyday. Sometimes you can sit with your partner and circulate energy for 15 minutes before intercourse to get the energetic flow going the right direction before engaging.
              And when getting started with not losing the bindu, it is best to start gradual. Hold it one time, let it go the next intercourse, hold it two times let go the next. THen work to a place you are happy with. Most people get blue balls the first few times, but the body begins to understand after some time and it goes away. In the inbetween their are a few things you can do to help the situation (which is what I think you are primarily asking for).

              There are 5 types of prana. One is called Apana which is the downward flow of prana that makes us urinate, defacate, ejaculate, menstruate, and deliver babies. To not ejaculate is to turn the naturally downward flowing prana upwards (this is where all the real benefits come from). Breathing and visualization practices are the best, and the more you practice the better you will get. But addition help when the aprana is having problems:
              -Don't shower right after (it increases downward energy), sit mediate, caress and enjoy the after moments fully

              -Don't eat right after (peristalsis is downward prana movement), you may be a little thirsty, but avoid it till you have no blue ball issues. It is different for everyone, for how long, generally 30 minutes is enough wait time.

              -In yoga there are many types of inversions, but you can just do anything you can to get the feet higher than the pelvis and the pelvis higher than the head. This is a natural way to change the direction of the flow.

              -Avoid aprana increasing herbs in your diet (until you have gotten rid of the blue ball issue): garlic, onions, asafoetida, ginseng, and anything that is slightly laxative. (you'll notice a slight constipating feeling when you are dealing with blue balls, as the aprana is having issues and gives that feeling, draw that same energy that is fighting to go down to go upwards, even though it is in the colon it will pull the sexual energy up with it.)

              -Eat lots of ginger, it is known to open the chakras and help the proper circulation of prana through the micro cosmic orbit.

              All the Best
              • Re: help! blue balls

                Wed, May 4, 2005 - 11:21 AM
                thank you so much both of you for all that info- that was practical and informative.
                mister! i was so excited to read about dancing foot- emily was my very first yoga teacher. this time last year i was introduced to yoga when i met her at a health food store and she invited me for a free class. i lost my yogic virginity to dancing foot.
                much love
          • Re: help! blue balls

            Wed, May 4, 2005 - 10:17 PM
            For best results, it's important to be in a real relaxed state - both mentally (quiet mind) and physically (abdomen, pelvic floor muscles, anus and buttocks relaxed). Let your breathing be slow, easy, and deep. Hold an attitude of spaciousness rather than narrow focus and goal orientation. Approach the practice with curiosity rather than determination.

            For drawing energy up the spine, allow your consciousness to ride up your spine on the breath (energy follows consciousness). If you find the coordination between the root lock and the inhalation tricky, apply the contraction once you've completed the exhalation.

            Hope this helps.